So $20 bucks if I want a beta eh? How about $15 instead? Read before you judge.

[pj64u000]

To me $20 seems descent but it's not a very good number if you really want more people to donate IMO. And you guys would like more people to donate for your cause, right? I'm willing to bet a lot more people would donate if the number simply appeared smaller but in reality wasn't that far off from where it once stood, like say $15.

Most TV advertisements use this effective tactic quite often. Was it a carefully thought out choice that somehow affects your involvement with the emulator or was it just a random number that isn't too high or too low but just right enough to hit the spot? As for donating merely as a token of appreciation for the hard work, well that seems just but somehow I doubt that as much people would really donate if they had no gain for it in some way.

Although If only like three people donate once every two months or so than I would get it. If that's the case I wouldn't even mind donating $40 instead of $20 cause I really do appreciate the fact that I can replay my favorite childhood games on a PC with higher resolutions and much more flexibility, but I can't seem to find the information on the amount of monthly donations you guys receive, which a lot of other sites do post.

So yeah, good idea, right? :D

[Squall_Leonhart]

bugger off. we don't donate because we want the beta, we donate because we support the project, getting the beta, and input on the direction development takes is just a bonus for our goodwill.

[zilmar]

To me $20 seems descent but it's not a very good number if you really want more people to donate IMO. And you guys would like more people to donate for your cause, right? I'm willing to bet a lot more people would donate if the number simply appeared smaller but in reality wasn't that far off from where it once stood, like say $15.

Most TV advertisements use this effective tactic quite often. Was it a carefully thought out choice that somehow affects your involvement with the emulator or was it just a random number that isn't too high or too low but just right enough to hit the spot? As for donating merely as a token of appreciation for the hard work, well that seems just but somehow I doubt that as much people would really donate if they had no gain for it in some way.

Although If only like three people donate once every two months or so than I would get it. If that's the case I wouldn't even mind donating $40 instead of $20 cause I really do appreciate the fact that I can replay my favorite childhood games on a PC with higher resolutions and much more flexibility, but I can't seem to find the information on the amount of monthly donations you guys receive, which a lot of other sites do post.

So yeah, good idea, right? :D

the price point is far is one of the least important reasons people want to donate. So it would not make any difference.

[Mdkcheatz]

bugger off. we don't donate because we want the beta, we donate because we support the project, getting the beta, and input on the direction development takes is just a bonus for our goodwill.

You are right about why most people donate. Although I would agree that many people, especially those who have not donated, feel that the donation is a scheme to get people to "pay" for the beta. Personally, i don't care if that's true or not, because at the end of the day, the outcome remains the same. Our donations go to the authors (im guessing managed by Zilmar) who can spend the money for their own leisure and better computer equipment, etc, if need be. But again, to elaborate more, they are still able to spend it on whatever they please, and that's what should be the case. Seeing as they put so much time into the development of pj64. We all have our own lives to lead.

[pj64u000]

the price point is far is one of the least important reasons people want to donate. So it would not make any difference.

Do you speak for most people when you say that? I'm pretty sure more people in general would donate if the price point was half the original.

Whatever floats the boat I guess, I will be donating soon anyways.

[rswedlow]

So I hear Gent's mood despirited a financially troubled timer.

"Our donations go to the authors (im guessing managed by Zilmar) who can spend the money for their own leisure and better computer equipment, etc, if need be. But again, to elaborate more, they are still able to spend it on whatever they please, and that's what should be the case."

It would be courtesy since it seems the money isn't used exactly for needs to live, but that's only because of another work job that could be buried by working on Project64 full time. The donations are not for leisure spending in the end. Fewer people respect their end of courtesy, so lowering the donations for their sake to ask for more is like asking for an audience to act like time is being used wisely.

[pj64u000]

So I hear Gent's mood despirited a financially troubled timer.

"Our donations go to the authors (im guessing managed by Zilmar) who can spend the money for their own leisure and better computer equipment, etc, if need be. But again, to elaborate more, they are still able to spend it on whatever they please, and that's what should be the case."

It would be courtesy since it seems the money isn't used exactly for needs to live, but that's only because of another work job that could be buried by working on Project64 full time. The donations are not for leisure spending in the end. Fewer people respect their end of courtesy, so lowering the donations for their sake to ask for more is like asking for an audience to act like time is being used wisely.

Did you read the first post?

I understand that it's hard work and the donations are very much deserving as rewards for the effort but once you put a decided number on it then you're tagging a price and mostly things that are for sale have a price tag so referring to it as just a donation is no longer as justified especially if there isn't even a required need for it as you implied. Other sites do have necessary donation goals for needs like keeping the expensive servers running for heavy amount of content distributing instead of it being merely just as an appreciation thing, which again there's nothing wrong with the idea but don't simply deny the fact that people in general are less likely to jump towards spending money for selfless reasons and would instead choose to donate with more interest if they had something to gain.

This is no big deal by any means and as I said, I wouldn't mind donating twice the amount but some info or an average on how many monthly donations you guys receive would be nice to know.

[rswedlow]

No one is speaking for zilmar.
Not me, not anyone you quoted

Into asking for a specific price maybe that is giving information as far as monthly earnings seeing as the people who would pay period and those won't or aren't able to pay anything at all are divided into larger groups of smaller divisors than those who would pay for this price or that price.

It's not very much even we know that although asking for a specific price minimum and encouraging that as the standard I don't understand.

[pj64u000]

No one is speaking for zilmar.
Not me, not anyone you quoted

I said implied didn't I and you do seem to be implying something here:

It would be courtesy since it seems the money isn't used exactly for needs to live, but that's only because of another work job that could be buried by working on Project64 full time. The donations are not for leisure spending in the end.

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As far as asking for a specific price maybe that is giving information as far as monthly earnings seeing as the people who would pay period and those won't or aren't able to pay anything at all are divided into larger groups of smaller divisors than those who would pay for this price or that price.

It's not very much even we know that although asking for a specific price minimum and encouraging that as the standard I don't understand.

Iit was just an idea, a good one if you ask me.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8282/coollx8.gif

[Mdkcheatz]

To Zilmar, I can tell by your reaction that you have no plans on doing what was originally suggested in this thread. But I have a better idea (in hope to solve this on going dilemma between iconoclast and pj64u000). Why don't you just post in big letters, the highest donation by whom donated it every month and how much they donated? Even possibly posting who has donated the most. Just a more worthwhile suggestion rather than lowering the required donation to get beta access. no?

[rswedlow]

Implied what? ... I don't know what you're asking. Now if the asking was to turn over to me, I would say that's being overdefensive, cause I have no idea what I said that disagreed.

[rswedlow]

To Zilmar, I can tell by your reaction that you have no plans on doing what was originally suggested in this thread. But I have a better idea (in hope to solve this on going dilemma between iconoclast and pj64u000).

This is pissing me off. I almost agreed with him, I never disagreed with him, both of you are being pinheads. There is no dilemma, everyone's paranoid.

zilmar didn't react either it's just your freggin ego that's judging a simple thought matter, everyone's ego, that always accuses me of opposing someone with an argument, just because I raise a thought. You get scarred by a simple statement, you don't know zilmar might have secretely agreed with him.

You can't argue with someone if you don't contradict them.
I'm not an uncivilized monster because of others' damned pride and prejudice.

[Mdkcheatz]

Whoa! I never said anything about "arguing." those are your words and not mine. Obviously you have been building up some tension over this for you to react this way, this isn't the R.J. i know. but then again, like i said before, even the queen of England takes a good dump! No one is perfect. Anyway back to the subject in "discussion." I completely understand where pj64u000 is coming from, sales companies do lower the price of a given item, lets say it was $20, to something like $19.99 and it does work. Unfortunately, Zilmar is not selling anything in regards to PJ64 so I only wonder if such a tactic would apply equally as affective. And from my understanding, I would think that Zilmar is trying to discourage people from thinking that he is selling it (i know quite a few people who think that). I never said that Zilmar may have not "secretly" agreed to anything. That is besides the point, Zil obviously didn't directly agree, nor am I suggesting he shouldn't. And again, I never said you were "arguing" or were "opposing" a disagreement, your fury and your "judgment" and "paranoia" is probably leading you into a defensive mode whereby you are falsely accusing me of doing so. Correct me if you feel I am wrong, i, as with many people, do make many mistakes and if so I apologize. Unfortunately, your opposition of "judgment," even though I agree on all areas you have pointed to me, is not worth fussing over to the point where you get "pissed off." Sadly, judgment in every form both good and bad is doomed to prevail in such a sheep like world. It is quite hard to critique, as I am a firm believer of, without having some level of judgment in the first place.

[rswedlow]

Well he probably left so (nature's ways I guess), helping myself out for a while more,

It's even worse that you used dilemma because I'm so used to hearing 'arguing' when describing me. I've always just silently taken it until now, a lot safer to vent like that than to delay it. Now it's just a solemn denial of judgment, a quiet concealation of the mind.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dilemma

Blah blah your words, not mine, you're being too agressive, then the sensitive part Waha! See I can be both insensitive and sensitive, I can see both sides, so I know what I'm talking about, but I side with this one! Scottish nonsense, straight from my blood along with everything else. Blah blah vent, just like me sometimes aw that's just great

Of course I could have buried that, too, but seeing as my luck is extremistly variant (14 letters in my name if it matters yea I had the good nights) I think I'd put some affirmative decision in the matter.

Thank you for putting the dots finally in "R.J." :) not that that's my unreformed name either, nor my last name, so no info given :devil:...goddamn thanks a ton man I feel great :D I know that was arrogant as hell what I did, out against nature trying to teach me, but blood it felt so terrible. I can tell not the best way I resolved but holy frikkin crap anything's better than spamming this thread! :devil: sorry

[Mdkcheatz]

I'm sure your probably the only reason I look forward to these threads. but you are right about that damned spamming we did. redemption *back on topic* icono how do you feel about my suggestion (about the highest donor, etc)?

[pj64u000]

a random comic to lighten up the thread:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6193/backtothekitchenbitchij9.png

[Mdkcheatz]

Hahahahaha, R.J. should be pleased with this.

[rswedlow]

Thank you kind sir for this forgiveness.
While I attempt to randomly summarize with something completely random I just wanted to say also...I believe you that you understand, just maybe there's some financial trouble such that the developers are more worried about how much people care about development time spending than actually getting the money.


I've been keeping tabs on the man lately...

...Hey I just realized:
We're going to be needing the donations radar.



Oh, well zilmar had it, but then he gave it to iconoclast.



blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah


The BLAH are in my other pants...
wha wut what BLAH!



Wait a second! I think we're jumping the gun a bit here!
Feel it? It's faint, but it's still there! ;)



It doesn't make a bit of difference guys.



PJ's in my pants...
wha-wha-wha-WUT??
*shakes insecurely*
PJ's in my pants
PJ's in my butt...
...PJ's in my butt...
PJ's in my PJ's in my PJ's in my
BALLS!



Impossible! My balls...
...They aren't there!



its in my other pants pocket

um aw crap this will take a while hold on
POCKET POCKET POCKET!!!



Yes...that's it! It's obvious!
I guess I must have let the stress get to my
other pants
BALLS!



doesn't make a bit of difference guys



But it's still there! :)



doesn't make a bit of difference guys



But it's still there! :)




doesn't


make a


bit of

But it's--



doesn't
make a
bit of
difference.



****, people! The ****ing balls are ****ing IN-ert!
*ox with the ring in its nose grunts*
**** people.

[Mdkcheatz]

LMAO! iconoclast my friend! that is the funniest thing I have seen in ages! Despite all m rage, im still just a ready to CAGE!! Hey ma, what's up, lets slide, all right, all right And we gonna et it on tonight You smoke, I smoke, I drink, me too, well good Cause we gonna get high tonight Got drops, got Coups, got Trucks, got jeeps, all right Cause we gonna take a ride tonight So ma, what's up, let's slide, all right, all right And we gonna get it on tonight!!!!

[Chesso]

You guys are seriously messed up....... but quite funny!

As for this idea, $5 difference (downward), I don't really see the point, it's not like asking an outrageous amount on a weekly basis or something silly like that, it is a one off investment, or perhaps more if you are so inclined :P.

[Mdkcheatz]

You guys are seriously messed up....... but quite funny!

"Messed up" is a matter of perspective. I prefer to look at it as us building of our humor to become closer at gaining a piece of our ultimate goal of happiness.:rolleyes:

...it's not like asking an outrageous amount on a weekly basis or something silly like that, it is a one off investment, or perhaps more if you are so inclined :P.

I absolutely agree!:) If you were to download the most current release of NO$GBA, you are expected to donate for each release. Whereas with PJ64, Zilmar is only asking for the single donation, and anymore is purely upon the individual to be so kind as to donate more (Like Gitech001;)). Zilmar has not received that much funding over the past 10 years to be living off of it. In fact I'm sure it barely covers much.:cool:

[MasterPhW]

I absolutely agree!:) If you were to download the most current release of NO$GBA, you are expected to donate for each release. Whereas with PJ64, Zilmar is only asking for the single donation, and anymore is purely upon the individual to be so kind as to donate more (Like Gitech001;)). Zilmar has not received that much funding over the past 10 years to be living off of it. In fact I'm sure it barely covers much.:cool:
Nope, martin also asks only for one donation, alle upcoming releases were free aswell.

[Mdkcheatz]

Nope, martin also asks only for one donation, alle upcoming releases were free aswell.


ooopse $#@! my bad! please disregard my BS then. :rolleyes:

[rswedlow]

"Nope, martin also asks only for one donation, alle upcoming releases were free aswell."
Who gives a shit what so-and-so's policy is? You either have a problem with donating, or you don't.

[Mdkcheatz]

well said.

[xcdjy]

Basically, here's the way I see it.

I get about £2 a week... and it's gonna take me a while to save up, but I'm still donating. If you have issues donating $20 to the people who made N64 on PC a worthy combination, you shouldn't even be on this forum.

And anyway, what's with all the whinging just to lower it to $15? Are you crazy or something? I mean, they work their asses off!

'nuff said.

[Mdkcheatz]

Basically, here's the way I see it.

I get about £2 a week... and it's gonna take me a while to save up, but I'm still donating. If you have issues donating $20 to the people who made N64 on PC a worthy combination, you shouldn't even be on this forum.


Well I think that's being a little harsh denying random folk of being able to view this forum because of an issue. Remember that some people have legitimate reasons for not donating, these may include but are not limited to: financing, under age to process transactions, stinginess, etc. ZIlmar and Team need all the donations they can get, but they aren't likely to hold a grudge on those who choose or cannot donate. Personally, if you want to complain about donating, just remember that it's all optional and if you have an issue you can p*** off.:)

And anyway, what's with all the whinging just to lower it to $15? Are you crazy or something? I mean, they work their asses off!

'nuff said.

I know much work has been done to produce what has been done already, but remember that it's not really logical for them to "work their asses off." Keep in mind that every single one of us has our own lives to maintain which comes in place before the PJ64 scene (if this isnt the case then you may want to consider doing so:rolleyes:). Peace.

[xcdjy]

* Well I think that's being a little harsh denying random folk of being able to view this forum because of an issue. Remember that some people have legitimate reasons for not donating, these may include but are not limited to: financing, under age to process transactions, stinginess, etc. ZIlmar and Team need all the donations they can get, but they aren't likely to hold a grudge on those who choose or cannot donate. Personally, if you want to complain about donating, just remember that it's all optional and if you have an issue you can p*** off.:)

** I know much work has been done to produce what has been done already, but remember that it's not really logical for them to "work their asses off." Keep in mind that every single one of us has our own lives to maintain which comes in place before the PJ64 scene (if this isnt the case then you may want to consider doing so:rolleyes:). Peace.

* You've misinterpreted me. I didn't mean it about those who can't or won't donate, I can understand that. Even one as antisocial as myself can accept that.

I'm on about people complaining... that's just lame :p

** So they haven't worked hard then? That's certainly funny, you seem to be contradicting some of your earlier points of view.

'Peace'.

[rswedlow]

Fascinating Brandon. Slowly I turn to wonder why our thoughts may intersect.

When I said of having a problem with donating in clarity this refers to not necessarily chosen problems but...just problems in general. That does include finance. For this reason seems to refer to just this forum--in that it's not really needed and is open just as much as the rest of the Internet. And we also know not everyone on this planet thinks the same way, so it's probably just safer that way without everyone seeing this.

you're clever to know what this means. They won't take any meaning to this heart, so pay no mind to such open involvement.

[xcdjy]

Fascinating Brandon. Slowly I turn to wonder why our thoughts may intersect.

When I said of having a problem with donating in clarity this refers to not necessarily chosen problems but...just problems in general. That does include finance. For this reason our chariot seems to refer to just this forum--in that it's not really needed and is open just as much as the rest of the Internet. And we also know not everyone on this planet thinks the same way, so it's probably just safer that way without everyone seeing this.

Zach you're clever to know what this means. They won't take any meaning to this heart, so pay no mind to such open involvement.

Do us a favour and don't call me Zach. And please don't tell me what I am, either - my mind works differently to most people's.

[Squall_Leonhart]

Shut up all of you. this isn't the place, take it to PM if you all intend on degrading each other.

[Mdkcheatz]

Shut up all of you. this isn't the place, take it to PM if you all intend on degrading each other.


I don't believe anyone is degrading anyone here. It's more of a misjudgment presented at the wrong time. ALthough I would agree that it sudden got a little tense all of a sudden. *winks at Chariot;)*