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archlvt
2nd July 2009, 05:02 AM
First off, I just want to say how happy I am to be able to play these n64 games with amazing clarity, frame rate, anti aliasing, everything. In all honesty, majora's mask emulated looks even better than a lot of gamecube games out there. Just so clear and pretty, not a single blocky or jaggy in sight.

My problem lies with my controller. I have a Logitech Dual Analog ps2 lookalike (The navy blue one with the analog sticks having a square shaped cutout for some reason).

ANYWAY, onto my point. On a real console, controllers will pick up many many directions, the n64 seems to pick up at least 32 directions. Playing on this emulator however, it will only pick up 8 directions (up down left right, and the diagonals). This makes it very difficult to do anything with narrow platforming, and sometimes makes combat a bit clunky. Is there a way to increase how many directions your controller will detect?

Also, there is no sensitivity, if I tilt the stick only a little bit forward on a real console, the character will walk, and as I tilt harder and harder, the character gradually walks faster. But on the emulator, as soon as I tilt it even a little bit forward, he bursts into a full run as though I'm tilting it to the max.

Can anyone help me with these two problems?

magmarock64
2nd July 2009, 05:41 AM
Same controller I have. First of all this is 1of 2 of the best controllers you can get for an emulator and the best for a PC those scare shaped analog borders are one of the reasons why and I will tell you more later if you wish.
I don't know what you mean by "it will only pick up 8 directions" I don't seem to have a problem with it. I suggest you use N-Rage plugin and set the dead zone to zero, set N64 range to 64, untick real N64 range, and See how that goes.

archlvt
2nd July 2009, 06:14 AM
I just tried the N-rage plugin, and for some reason when I try to set my keys on my controller it isn't detecting them. It isn't reading that I have a controller plugged in. It picks up JabosDirectInput just fine though.

magmarock64
2nd July 2009, 08:27 AM
Go to device tab, then to game pad, device, select logitech duel action and set dead zone to zero.

archlvt
2nd July 2009, 09:22 PM
Okay so I got the N-Rage plugin working, but it's the same thing, link only moves in 8 directions (Forward, back, left, right, and diagonal) rather than all the inbetween directions. This makes traversing a narrow passage (like the planks of wood just outside of woodfall temple) difficult.

Also, since there's no sensitivity detection, shooting arrows or the hookshot is hard due to aiming, I have to turn down the Range to 35% every time I need to do something that has to do with arrows (like the shooting galleries or the pirates fortress), then quickly save, pause it, and turn it back up to normal.

magmarock64
3rd July 2009, 12:11 AM
Sounds like you have mode button on is there a red light on? if so turn it off. If you want to see how the game see's your controller I suggest you powerup
Goldeneye and go to controller config from here you can see what the game see's. You can also set the dead zone to 20 most people like that, I don't.
If all else fails you can try an actual N64 controller with adapter for $20 AUD. But don't waste your time with other PC controllers they are not as good.

squall_leonhart
3rd July 2009, 01:18 AM
analogue Axis's are only 4 way, with a mixed combination of various degree's.

there is no such thing as a 32 way thumbstick.

archlvt
3rd July 2009, 12:03 PM
analogue Axis's are only 4 way, with a mixed combination of various degree's.

there is no such thing as a 32 way thumbstick.

Be that as it may, on the n64 or gamecube, link moves in many many directions and I can easily move him around, and if I'm not going perfectly straight down a narrow passageway, I can slightly turn him so that he goes straight. On the emulator on the other hand, I have to basically zig-zag down the path because he will only move in 8 directions.

Telling me this useless information doesn't help me get the controls working. Call it whatever statistic you want but the fact remains that when i play majora's mask on the n64, link can move in many directions, turn slightly, walk, carefully aim due to sensitivity detection, whereas here, he moves in 8 directions, no inbetweens, and moves at maximum speed ALL the time, making bow/hookshot, etc nearly impossible to aim with. You can imagine how fun the mirror shield was to work with in the light reflection room in stone tower temple.

Onto the person who was actually on topic, I did try with the mode on and off, it doesn't help. I actually generally use the D-Pad instead of the analog stick since I can't STAND the square shape of the analog cutout, it should be octagon shaped like the gamecube's controller. That being said, I did try it with BOTH the analog stick and the d-pad, neither worked. In fact, the analog sticks were SO sensitive that I had to take the C button off of them, I have < set to L2, > set to r2 and V set to select. It was just too darn difficult to hold the bowstring back or play songs because it was so sensitive that it would play other notes that I didn't want it to play if my accuracy was just a tiny bit off on the analog stick.

squall_leonhart
3rd July 2009, 04:08 PM
then the problem is your game controller or adapter.

archlvt
3rd July 2009, 07:54 PM
then the problem is your game controller or adapter.

Just let the smart people figure this out :)

You know, you'd be a great asset to an ISP as an inbound call representative. You can pretend that you didn't hear anyone's internet related problems and tell them "It's your router".

HatCat
4th July 2009, 12:21 AM
Be that as it may, on the n64 or gamecube, link moves in many many directions and I can easily move him around, and if I'm not going perfectly straight down a narrow passageway, I can slightly turn him so that he goes straight. On the emulator on the other hand, I have to basically zig-zag down the path because he will only move in 8 directions.

It's easier to hit C-up to change Link's line of vision and try to make it parallel with the plank.

not that this helps you either but just in case you're forced on the situation again...as for adjusting the range temporarily like when you're using the bow that's pretty much what I have to do as well since all I ever use is a keyboard :)...I played through the full game and got all 52 heart pieces and whatnot and don't remember any real need to adjust the range except like in Woodfall

The only time I was absolutely required to change the analog sensitivity was in Mario64 when I had to align the cannon perfectly to make this video (http://s78.photobucket.com/albums/j112/rswedlo/videos/?action=view&current=sad.flv).
um also for Banjo-Tooie when I had to tip-toe so the snake wouldn't wake up

sorry to spam

archlvt
4th July 2009, 05:29 AM
I adjusted the range in a few places, like the shooting galleries. It's almost enough to make me want to buy the VC version, which I almost did. It's just, the n64 emulator is so crystal clear and smooth and has anti aliasing that the VC version will look like garbage in comparison, especially on a 46" HD LCD tv. Link's master quest looks all stretched out, and majora's mask on the actual n64 is even worse, link just looks like a bunch of little green boxes lol.

magmarock64
4th July 2009, 08:43 AM
I can't STAND the square shape of the analog cutout



Go to windows controller calibration and as you're calibrating the controller you will see a square box with a plus sign in it. Notice you can aim all the way to the edge. This is the only controller that can do this. Because the analog gear box is shaped like a cube.

So the purpose of the square cutouts is so you can aim all the way to the edge, which is very useful especially in games like GoldenEye.


Since this controller isn't working for you, I say the best option, is to get an actual N64 controller with adapter.

magmarock64
4th July 2009, 08:50 AM
I adjusted the range in a few places, like the shooting galleries. It's almost enough to make me want to buy the VC version, which I almost did. It's just, the n64 emulator is so crystal clear and smooth and has anti aliasing that the VC version will look like garbage in comparison, especially on a 46" HD LCD tv. Link's master quest looks all stretched out, and majora's mask on the actual n64 is even worse, link just looks like a bunch of little green boxes lol.

If you think Majora's Mask looks nice you should see it on hires textures.
It will put the VC version to shame!

squall_leonhart
4th July 2009, 05:34 PM
Just let the smart people figure this out :)

You know, you'd be a great asset to an ISP as an inbound call representative. You can pretend that you didn't hear anyone's internet related problems and tell them "It's your router".

Listen fucktard, I have multiple gamepads, each having perfect control over any game i play. there is no 8 point directions because as i fucking said, its a combination by a range of 2 axis X and Y, and does not have definite directional pointers.

If the game appears to be acting in this way, then either the control is fucked, the adapter is fucked or you just don't know how to configure your fucking control.

also.

RTFM.

Mdkcheatz
10th July 2009, 06:27 AM
Listen fucktard, I have multiple gamepads, each having perfect control over any game i play. there is no 8 point directions because as i fucking said, its a combination by a range of 2 axis X and Y, and does not have definite directional pointers.

If the game appears to be acting in this way, then either the control is fucked, the adapter is fucked or you just don't know how to configure your fucking control.

also.

RTFM.

This is entirely true, although I wonder if he was attempting to use a controller incompatible? (Sorry I dont have ime to read the above posts)

archlvt, May I suggest testing another controller just so that you may admit to yourself that your controller is a fail. :D

ScarfaceGuru
23rd July 2009, 03:27 AM
i can't move up down left right on my controller and i have the logitech dual action
HELP!#@&*#$^@*&($^*

magmarock64
23rd July 2009, 10:11 AM
Your going to have give me more detail does it work with other games?
is it just the D pad/Analog stick?

Mdkcheatz
24th July 2009, 07:58 PM
i can't move up down left right on my controller and i have the logitech dual action
HELP!#@&*#$^@*&($^*

I have this exact controller and it works fine under the Windows XP OS. I assume you know that it has to be configured under System (via the emulator) right?