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Anonymous 24th June 2007 08:58 PM

written by L
 
I run Windows 2k pro on 2 machines and 98 se on 2 others, please keep 2k support and 98 would be appreciated. also i havent messed with pj64 on win 95 very much at all.

Anonymous 25th June 2007 02:20 PM

written by rhY
 
For the record, Ubuntu is growing by leaps and bounds. I realize that the code is probably in some proprietary format for some MS compiler, but switching to gcc and having a true cross platform emulator would be much better and garner a lot more attention, and possible developers as well. Personally, I don't plan on supporting Windows any more as a tech support guy for the 75 people in my family that require tech support. Most of them only want mario kart anyway, and that does work in mupen, but I like project 64 better for a number of reasons, and would love to use it without trying to coerce wine into working.

Anonymous 26th June 2007 06:10 AM

written by chris klepy
 
i keeps telling me that direct 3d is not compatible with my card and i nee to get some 3d graphics card what the hell do i do it wont let me play
!!!!!!!

Anonymous 26th June 2007 10:25 PM

written by Setar
 
Drop 9x. 98 is now considered obsolete by Microsoft, and hardly anyone uses it. Old games for me tend to work fine in XP, and for DOS games, there's always DOSBox (freeware DOS emulator).

I hear many good things about 2000 and it's an NT kernel, and apparently it's got lots of the same features as XP. I say keep 2000 as it won't be too hard to keep up. Anyone who has a comp worthy of running this should have 2000 anyway, as said before.

ME is just garbage. From what I heard, it was a crappy attempt to blend the 9x and NT kernel - didn't Microsoft discontinue support for it after only a year because it sucked so bad? Either way, no one uses it unless they're idiots or like experimenting. Drop it.

So yeah. Vista/XP/2000. 9x would be too hard to keep up with and it's obsolete, ME is just crap. 2000 is NT4, XP is what, NT5.1? Same kernel base, so 2000 shouldn't be terribly hard to keep up. I actually think I'd start looking at dropping 2000 support around next OS, depending on how support for 2000 goes. However, MS now considers 9x obsolete, not many companies support it anymore, drivers can't be found, no one uses it. If anyone NEEDS PJ64 for a 98 box, just keep 1.6 up for them - it shouldn't be too hard on them to get 1.6.

Anonymous 28th June 2007 12:37 AM

written by TwistedWhizz
 
Just to back up what rhY says above; Ubuntu is fast becoming the de facto Linux desktop. I know you guys have already said that a port to Linux is unlikely, but I would urge you to reconsider. Linux is really taking hold now: witness Bill Gates efforts to destroy it. More and more are making the move, especially as Vista offers nothing but woe to many people. Dell are now selling Linux PC's, and many hardware manufacturers are including Linux in their plans. I say all this just to illustrate the growing popularity of Linux, and hopefully to urge your thoughts in that direction. Project 64 is an amazing piece of software, and really ought to be available to Linux users. I do still use XP myself, but when it is killed off by Microsoft, that is when my relationship with Microsoft products comes to an end. I am pretty sure I am not alone in this.

Anonymous 28th June 2007 07:03 AM

written by JussiRM
 
Linux version would be cool

Anonymous 28th June 2007 09:35 PM

written by Kahlil
 
I think you should seriously consider releasing Project64 under the GNU General Public License. This is a Free Software license, where "free" refers to freedom, not price. Free software usually doesn't cost money, but it [b]gives the USERS freedom[/url]. This includes the freedom to make modified versions that run on old versions of Windows or Mac OS. I recommend the GNU General Public License, which allows you to charge money for beta (or stable) versions, providing you include the source code. For more information on Free (as in "freedom") Software, please visit www.gnu.org

Anonymous 29th June 2007 08:53 AM

written by TwistedWhizz
 
Just to clarify my above post: I do still use XP, but I only really use it for programs like PJ64. I've been a Linux user for a year or two now, and dual-boot with Windows. Just thought I ought to make that point, as it isn't so clear in my above post. It seems to suggest I don't even use Linux! Like many, Ubuntu is my main system.

I think PJ64 going to GNU GPL would be a great idea. Isn't ZSNES already under this license too?

Anonymous 29th June 2007 10:39 PM

written by Peter
 
Ditch Vista and start supporting OS X and Linux! (OS X is in desperate need of an N64 emu)

Anonymous 30th June 2007 03:38 PM

written by RyanGDI
 
PLEASE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT WINDOWS 2000!!! ME AND MANY OF MY FRIENDS USE PJ64 ON WINDOWS 2000 OPERATING SYSTEMS! PLEASE DO NOT DROP WIN 2000 SUPPORT!!!

Thanks!!! :)

Anonymous 1st July 2007 01:33 PM

written by Alexis
 
I have Project 64 in Windows Vista and the program didn't work, when I open the program, it said " Direct3D failed to initialize your HAL device make sure you have a properly configured 3D graphics card compatible with Direct 3D 6.0" Someone know how to resolve this problem???

Anonymous 2nd July 2007 05:12 AM

written by oskar
 
i also have this problem!

i downloaded it , and i have Vista,

when i choose the ROM it loads it to 100 then it says something about direc3d

Anonymous 2nd July 2007 11:09 AM

written by rafaelinux
 
I can tell you people that there's tons of people using Win98/ME, so discarding support for these OSes is somehow cruel.. but... since I'm on XP.. do as you like!!! xD

Anonymous 4th July 2007 08:06 AM

written by Antony
 
For everyone who is still trashing/hating/bad mouthing/putting down Windows Vista should get a life!
I have a dual boot Windows XP and Windows Vista home premium computer and although there are a lack of device driver support and software compatibility at the moment Vista can do many amazing things and more to come in the future.

In 1-2 years from now Windows 95/98/ME/2000 will be all outdated just like dinosaurs and nobody will use them so the owners of those operating systems will need to upgrade because only XP/Vista/Vienna will be left.

In the future if you decide to buy a truly powerful vista machine e.g a 2.2 or 2.4Ghz Intel Core2Duo or even a 2.0Ghz Quad Core with 2Ghz ram you will be able to play and burn Blueray discs, play directx 10 games using e.g a Nvidia 8800GTS with 16x Anti-aliasing, capable of high resolution monitors like dual 22 inch LCD HDCP ready with 2048x1536 at 85Hz, play PS2, Xbox and GameCube games without many technical difficulties (providing the emulation software works), be able to watch and record digital satellite t.v. in high definition.

My advice for everyone not using Vista is to wait about 1-2 years and by that time Vista will be much better with more updates, support and stability. Remember this: Windows Vista is still young and new, just wait until it ages and matures.

Summary: Project64 v1.7 doesn't need 95/98/ME support, 2000 can be included until it is either not in use or outdated and most definitely include XP/Vista for both 32 and 64-bit editions. Thats my 2 cents, thanks for reading.

Anonymous 4th July 2007 02:28 PM

written by Derek Mason
 
As long as support for Windows 9x isn't purposely broken I don't see a problem. For example if you guys find that rewriting a certain part of the code boosts performance and compatibility in Windows 2000 and beyond but breaks Windows 9x then let Windows 9x die. As for Windows 2000 it should continue to be supported and as long as XP is it would be really hard to break 2000 support. Remember Windows XP is BASICALLY Windows 2000 with a few newer features slapped on top, albeit better security since Service Pack 2, but XP is still just a fancy Windows 2000.

Windows Vista is something I do not understand why is treated so harshly. I happen to have picked up a copy when it came out in January and yes.. it was horrible with compatibility at the time but ran full blast on an aging system (Pentium 4 2.4ghz HT, 1gb RAM, Geforce 6600. Yes i consider this an aged system. However I am going to college in a few months and purchased a Laptop (AMD Turion 64 x2 1.8ghz TL-56, 2gb RAM, ATI Xpress 1150 graphics) and it came with Windows Vista Premium. It runs like a champ! Fast, Aero is a nice modern look, and compatibility had improved VASTLY since i had last used it. Windows Vista will be the future.. Like some have said it just needs its time to mature. Drivers aren't quite perfect yet and not every single XP program is going to run 100 percent right but I run PJ64 1.6 on it with zero problems and full speed.

Drop Win9x only if you have to... but a note for anyone still using it... Upgrade to a Windows NT based operating system, at least windows 2000. You won't regret it. -If your computer can't handle Windows 2000 then you dont meet the system requirements for PJ64 anyways-

Anonymous 4th July 2007 02:29 PM

written by Derek Mason
 
Alexis

I noticed you said Direct 3D complained about not finding a 3D device. Make sure that you have the latest video drivers for Windows Vista. Its not a PJ64 problem because it runs nicely for me. Its a driver issue.

Anonymous 4th July 2007 02:30 PM

written by Bowserschaos
 
;D ;D ;D i vote for 2000 and XP but not vista BUT i want project 64 1.7!public!

Anonymous 4th July 2007 07:54 PM

written by l
 
:-*i used 98 with my 6600gt with pj64 good cheesy combination version i used worked fine
lets see some vista ,holey xp sucked

Anonymous 5th July 2007 06:37 PM

written by Derek Mason
 
Not Vista? I have no special bias for Vista but sadly my laptop can't run XP due to the Wireless being so new the company doesn't have a XP driver :-\ in any case Vista will be the future... its in that beginning phase where everyone hates it. I remember when everyone disliked XP because it was a resource hog lol.

Anonymous 8th July 2007 10:32 AM

written by August Yifu
 
Hey, if you want to be one of those arrogant developers that forget about perfectly good 98/ME, go ahead. Google and Apple are that way. I don't care either way now 'cause I'm on an XP MCE computer.

While I'm commenting on this site, let me rant about how much I dislike this whole "donate to beta test" scam. If it's a freeware project, why the hell do I have to pay money to use the latest version? Sounds more like shareware to me. And really, who charges money for a program used primarily for piracy? Oh, that's right. Limewire does.

Don't get me wrong, I love Project 64. I got my entire junior high's computer network installed with it and a few choice games long ago. Nobody did anything productive in that library. Ever. :)

But... nobody should have to *pay* to use an emulator, even if said money goes toward alleged development costs. As I understand it, the average Project 64 user is a preteen. He doesn't have a job, and the only way he can pay for the emulator is to bum money off of his parents. Does the average parent want their hard-earned money to go towards the development of this sort of thing. I mean.. Nintendo asserts that emulators are illegal. *shrug*

Anonymous 8th July 2007 10:49 AM

written by b2609
 
I'd say just support Windows 2000, XP, Vista, and Linux.

Anonymous 9th July 2007 09:05 AM

written by RAT
 
Why don't work in a Linux Version?, Get some look to Nexius or OpenArena, there are games that are running amazing on Linux. I think that emulator should be multi-plataform. Support for 95/98/ME?, for what?, who used them anyway?.
On the other hand, Linux has a great potential. It is necessary to choose by a free alternative. Just think about it!!!

PJ64 Linux VersiĆ³n!!!

Sorry about my English. It is the language that has imposed, the most not spoken.

Anonymous 10th July 2007 02:17 AM

written by Antony
 
Now that Ive talked about Windows versions, I'll now talk about Linux/Mac.

The Project64 team have already said NO to developing for these operating systems but If someone knows how to use open source code from windows and change it into Mac OS X and/or Linux operating systems then that would be good but to do that would take a lot of work.

Look at Mac OS X for an example, Mupen64 works and so does Sixtyforce but the problems are a) Sixtyforce is Shareware so the save states and full screen is disabled b) the annoying logo cannot be removed c) there is Joystick/Gamepad support but I could not get my Joytech Neo S gamepad to work because the analog sticks wont work in Mac OS X even with Game Companion etc. With Mupen64 a) you don't have save states to use b) there is no joystick/gamepad support at all so on a MacBook you are restricted to using tiny keys which is too difficult.
Someone should definitly make a freeware Nintendo64 emulator which has save states, full joystick/gamepad support as well with different Graphic plugins to use.

I have never used a Linux OS in my life so I can't say much about it.

Anonymous 11th July 2007 10:22 AM

written by Luca
 
i use windows 2000 and debian linux ( on P4 2600 and radeon 9800 )
XP is 2000 with a new GUI.
in win2000 i play without problems:
all Valve games Half Life, Half Life 2 , and all Source Mods Dystophia
all opengl games: quake 1,2,3,4
and UT2004 and mods with full details.
and in conclusion grand prix legends with Logitech full support for G25

WIN2000 is for gaming.
Linux is difficult because driver ati and no support for joystick, G25, and similar device.

Anonymous 11th July 2007 11:51 AM

written by TwistedWhizz
 
Debian is difficult. Linux for the most part offers excellent support for ATI/nVidia drivers, other devices such as joysticks etc. I use Ubuntu 7.04 and have up to date nVidia drivers which affords me 3D gaming and desktop effects, and I use both my dual analogue joypads fine for all types of gaming. So maybe for you Luca I might recommend an upgrade to the latest Ubuntu!

Anonymous 12th July 2007 06:41 AM

written by Steve
 
I would love to see a GNU version, or a Mac version, but the first step is to make Project64 FREE SOFTWARE (a.k.a. "open source"). This gives the users the freedom to modify the code and create other ports, which gives the Pj64 developers the freedom to not have people screaming for Mac and GNU versions. Everybody wins!

Anonymous 12th July 2007 02:55 PM

written by pog
 
Playstationportable version

Anonymous 13th July 2007 02:21 PM

written by stevie l.
 
Thank you for giving us the fun to play our Nin64 favorite game on pc !

For Windows, you shouldn't support more than the 2 last OS available (same opinion as Sebastien Bareil, April 17, 2007 said). The Win9x family is obsolete. Even in the WinNT family, NT4.x is also obsolete, Win2000 is not but almost. The bare MINIMUM sould be WinXP SP2.

To run WinXP decently, a typical 4 year old machine can do the job. So, if you have a 4 year old machine or less, you should at least install WinXP.

If these people just don't want to upgrade and stick with obsolete system, it's there decision/problem and not our/yours. Personaly, I don't want a software that have extra programming code and is subject to make my pc crash just to stay 'compatible' for OS that only a few folks used today ! The best example : Windows...

The only reason why people want support for obsolete OS is that they don't want to buy a new system or get a good used one with decent specs. A good machine is very afordable today and anyone can get a more recent machine even if it's not brand new. Except extremely poor people, there is absolutely no reasons to demand support for more than 4 years old hardware. You have to follow technologie. If not, play DOS game !

For example, this is my 3 year pc that run the emulator just fine :

cpu: athlon xp 2200 (not overclocked)
ram: 1 gb ddr 400 (dual channel not overclocked)
hdd: maxtor 120 gb (7200 rmp, 2 mb cache)
os: winxp sp2 pro

Anonymous 14th July 2007 12:41 PM

written by toko
 
please need this pj64 :'( send my mi e-mail is shiko_inuyasha@hotmail.com

Anonymous 14th July 2007 07:25 PM

written by Leave the outdated OS OUT!
 
Serously why. The only reason they run those dinosaurs is

-they are using a family computer (bought back then)
-are too poor (probably have no money) and using a computer not their own. (see first reason)

OMG why even ask people just do it. Seeing as the Project64 team has already asked this question.

Anonymous 15th July 2007 10:28 AM

written by kte
 
keep windows 2000 support, it is still the one I use when playing unless xp is required. less garbage in the background.

Anonymous 15th July 2007 11:07 AM

written by Al
 
Don't support Windows Vista. Very few have switched over and most of those who have switched had issues and problems with the OS and it slowed down their computer. Drop 98 support, its old and if people haven't switched over yet, they should just install Linux if their computers can't handle it. Please make a Linux port. There are still no good N64 emulators and many people are switching over to Linux. Please support Windows 2000/XP and Linux. Thanks.

Anonymous 15th July 2007 03:45 PM

written by confused
 
i supposed to download project 64 from this page and i couldn found nothing to download.......

Anonymous 15th July 2007 07:51 PM

written by JamieB
 
kte is bang on, it would be appreciated if you could keep windows 2000 as a supported OS. Windows Vista is still awaiting it's first full update and according to the article (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10450489) it will not be ready until November 2007. Goodness knows what that will mean for developing on it - but you guys will know best...

Anonymous 16th July 2007 07:34 AM

written by Arsenal prince
 
it is sick tell all your friends

Anonymous 17th July 2007 03:59 PM

written by B-phillips
 
What are the controls on windows, like A is x, B is c i dont kno z tho

Anonymous 18th July 2007 03:08 AM

written by mahmo
 
thanks very goooooooood

Anonymous 18th July 2007 11:58 PM

written by Micke, Krylbo
 
Please keep the supportand developing for:
Windows 2000
Windows Xp
Windows Vista

Anonymous 19th July 2007 02:37 AM

written by SkyBon
 
I think that that the team has to support only:
Windows XP (all editions)
Windows Vista (including 64-bit editions, many pepole use it, including me) ;)
The reason is: Old OSes are usually used by users with weak computer configurations.

Anonymous 19th July 2007 06:13 AM

written by DeadDude
 
Personally, I think a project like this one should KEEP 9x support.

1 **everyone** has a copy of 98 kicking around.

2 Old computers are plentiful (only get more plentiful as Vista takes over)

3 Since the computers are older, the old 9x installations have already proven their durability (I can't believe EVERYONE overlooked this fact!)

4 Arcade cabinets are DIY projects-- DIY projects use whatever is available-- I ain't buying new crap for a DIY hobby project to play N64 games.


Now, it isn't like I honestly *deserve* a vote (first time here actually), but my voice is shared by more than you think.

If supporting 9x is a *burden*, then make a FINAL version for those systems... perhaps even continue plugin support for them as well.

My take on it is that anyone still running 9x **MUST** be doing something right. Removing it for the sake of optimizations should ultimately lead to a splitting of the project into separate projects, one 9x the other NT. Which is why I say make a final version for 9x... makes everyone as happy as they will ever get...

And I include Windows 2000 with the XP & Vista version... eventually, I foresee the W2K version going the way of the 9x version, but not for another 2-3 years at least.

If you cannot maintain the 9x line, just pop out a final stable 9x version and archive it everywhere.

Keep W2K compatibility in the current builds.


thanks for reading this post.


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