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Old 21st December 2012, 09:03 AM
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ROTFLMAO. Just gtfo and write your own emulator then. Thats what you'll be effectively doing...... oh wait, you don't have a clue how to emulate the n64, so you just ignorantly assume having the code will make that a cake walk.
Considering the current state of 1.6 source, yes thats what the USF people did. They rewrote r4300i and RSP code into C++ classes for multiinstance/thread safety, which is basically writing a whole new emulator.

And opening the source to 1.7 would do nothing.
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Old 22nd December 2012, 12:11 AM
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Being mathematically invested as an engineer, my philosophical side defaults to open-source as a carefree imagination of mine, but then again I'm not really that carefree always. Up until now I can say anything I have worked on has always been open-source, but I wouldn't put it past me to work on a plugin that I'm afraid that somebody is going to fuck up if I do open.

Could just be my paranoid side I guess.

I hate to argue over software politics though.
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Old 22nd December 2012, 04:11 AM
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Old 22nd December 2012, 08:24 PM
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LOL, and then his reply to that was,

"I knew you had to be a woman."

Shame this thread went from tl;dr to peaceful and boring though.
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After opening 1.4 source (granted there was not decent source control like git repository then, so not easy for people to submit changes). I really doubt it would make much difference. Maybe some small changes in the side, but I doubt there is any benefit to me.
Then again, you forget the MAME RSP included some information you left in the 1.4 RSP source, while fixing other bugs that still exist in the 1.7 RSP.

But yes, it wouldn't have any benefit to you because you don't want help on that part.

Obviously your points are all basically true but there is no logical argument against open-source exactly, just that it doesn't necessarily make a difference. However it cannot negatively affect work *directly*, did you think there was some logical reason against open-sourcing that LaC chose? Most people keep things like that closed-source out of the understandable fear of that information serving poor use in the wrong hands.

Open- vs. closed- , It's a tad bit like a battle of good versus evil: They both warrant the survival of the other, so there is no logical reason for consistently trying to prefer only one. Lots of open-source work came from the fact that LaC didn't open-source. Lots of good results from evil, evil will also thrive off good...


anyway I only wrote this shit cause I was bored lmao
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Old 23rd December 2012, 01:26 AM
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Also, its entirely the dev's perogative to foss or not.

doesnt matter, at the end of the day, the end user gets a product. its just one method which makes the end user feel more entitled to things.
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Old 23rd December 2012, 07:55 PM
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You know, I may have a fondness to it myself, but,

The thing I can't stand,

is people who aren't even involved with programming, making religious obsessions over how every `important` project developer should make that project open-source, I know a lot of "friends" I've talked with that just constantly advise people, me included, that ideas like that are just philosophically the best.

And I have no opinion on whether to agree or disagree, but it's more intuitive than whether it's right or wrong to do so. It ain't their business so they should just STFU

It's a bit like those naive obsessions over, making every program 64-bit, have 64 CPU cores, have 64 GB RAM. The childishness just annoys me XD (me looking in the mirror I guess lmao)
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Old 23rd December 2012, 09:52 PM
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exactly.
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Old 13th January 2013, 05:03 AM
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I once thought like that, I thought I would release the source of pj64 and someone else could just take over it. That is why pj64 1.4 source was released.

When you have projects that a lot of people want to code and extend, shared foundation (browser, kernel, os, cms). Then Open source works well for people to come together to work together to code it.

Being open source does not mean someone will pick it up. There are a lot of dead open source projects. A project needs good dedicated codes and people driving/leading the development. This is needed open/closed for the project to work. Being open can help try to attract talent, but it does not guarantee it.



After opening 1.4 source (granted there was not decent source control like git repository then, so not easy for people to submit changes). I really doubt it would make much difference. Maybe some small changes in the side, but I doubt there is any benefit to me.



No Idea what your talking about here.



Maybe to some, but the majority does not care that much cause 99.99% of the people can not code so it does not make a difference to them if it is closed or open source as long as it works for them.



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there is no n64 bios.

not sure about porting to non x86 systems, maybe it could be done. Tho that mac is now x86 maybe it is possible.

Jabo is the only one who has access to his graphics, audio and input plugin so I have no say in that.



It is not a matter of if it is open or not, but the skill level of the people involved. As said before there is a lot of other open source n64 emulators, if it was just a matter of being open source then they should have long ago dominated the scene. Especially with me not necessarily focusing on pj64.

Thank you for a legitimate response. It really isn't nice to be hounded by people other than you when a question like this is brought up in a serious manner.

Yeah, it pretty much comes down to people wanting to use the code you wrote moreso than they can/want to improve emulation. You have something beautiful here, and very useful. Only it's more useful to us if it's open source than it is for you.

I think it should be considered that potential developers won't want to pick up an open source project if a later and better version is still in closed development. The window for 1.4 to become a healthy open source emulator has been closed for some time now. As long as you are working on a closed version that will most likely be better in every way, why should I work on the older version?

Platform expansion would give alot of work for other people to maintain, and easily so in an open source environment. It would also greatly expand your user base.

Jabo told me he wouldn't do it because the people nagging made him jaded. That really sucks. People in the Xbox scene made a name for themselves in the FAQ here. That sucks as well. I personally would not donate to be able to test something that I like, when my use is in porting it. I am, however, the kind of person that would make a worthwhile donation if I was able to use that code. I don't believe your motivation/recognition for the project would dissolve going open source.
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Old 13th January 2013, 10:06 PM
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As long as you are working on a closed version that will most likely be better in every way, why should I work on the older version?

Several GameFAQ entries recommending to use Project64 1.4 instead.

Even though Project64 1.6 source code was released personally I have had only a quick look at like one or two files really briefly. I don't remember much of it but personally I find the 1.4 basic demo plugins by zilmar has taught me the most into getting started.

It's probably not that hard to build your emu off of somebody else's / recompile their source and expand upon it; I just haven't considered it because I don't really feel much of a point into it if I couldn't learn to design my own from scratch.
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Old 16th January 2013, 07:59 PM
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Default seems like rich developers getting richer!

Sounds like the developers realized what they had in the emulator realm and decided on a way to survive in this recession by holding their program hostage to a "suggested" donation. The current version is up to 2.0 and above, but does anyone know this except the "people in the know" ? Although unrelated , when Piriform.com releases new versions of ccleaner it doesn't force people to "donate" or 'pay' for the new version, they just release it and get donations from people like me who appreciate their hard work. And no they do not set a price limit.


wow, is this thread over! :lol: forgot to look at the date!

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