Dead!

[ipsilonv]

Dude seriously, just dig a grave to this project... it's been half dead for half it's life and you have it barely on life support with the money form the people that bought the beta. We all loved you PJ64, which is also the reason why you should die in peace. RIP

As a side note, I don't know how much progress has been made, but there is a certain attitude you must have about donations. If you are going to take them, then you have a responsibility to do your best. If you have a busy life, that's fine, but don't take donations. I'm not complaining, since I didn't even donate (Which I guess doesn't make me worthy of a beta), but given the 3 updates in a year.. it seems a little disrespectful and not very honorable, but I might be completely wrong regarding the progress that is made behind the scenes.

Anyways, RIP PJ64. I might sound like a douche.. and I don't care. But I want to make it clear that I really appreciate all that the creators have done, even if I don't approve of certain aspects of their methods. And I'm ready for FLAME .

[mudlord/RED]

Yes, you are a douchebag.

Pj64 is still alive. Stuff has still been done. So why don't you crawl in a ditch and die because you are so impatient.

And you wan't everything for free? Learn to crack! Because the people who leak and crack PJ64 don't have a brain to do it properly and without................................. That just shows how pathetic DigitalSpider is. Can't even do things properly.....

Sheesh.

[ShadowFX]

Originally Posted by ipsilonv

Dude seriously, just dig a grave to this project... it's been half dead for half it's life and you have it barely on life support with the money form the people that bought the beta.

People didn't buy anything. You donated towards the progress that's been made back then, not for what was to come.

Originally Posted by ipsilonv

As a side note ... but given the 3 updates in a year.. it seems a little disrespectful and not very honorable, but I might be completely wrong regarding the progress that is made behind the scenes.

There has been progress in form of alpha versions, but probably nothing major. I would have agreed with you if the donations were purely meant for getting access to the WIP versions only.

If I were you, play on your N64 or wait for another fresh new emulator, if there ever comes one. Projects like these are rarely seen as it is such a huge task and requires vast amount of knowledge of the system in question.

[squall_leonhart]

Originally Posted by ipsilonv

Dude seriously, just dig a grave to this project... it's been half dead for half it's life and you have it barely on life support with the money form the people that bought the beta. We all loved you PJ64, which is also the reason why you should die in peace. RIP

As a side note, I don't know how much progress has been made, but there is a certain attitude you must have about donations. If you are going to take them, then you have a responsibility to do your best. If you have a busy life, that's fine, but don't take donations. I'm not complaining, since I didn't even donate (Which I guess doesn't make me worthy of a beta), but given the 3 updates in a year.. it seems a little disrespectful and not very honorable, but I might be completely wrong regarding the progress that is made behind the scenes.

Anyways, RIP PJ64. I might sound like a douche.. and I don't care. But I want to make it clear that I really appreciate all that the creators have done, even if I don't approve of certain aspects of their methods. And I'm ready for FLAME .

go throw yourself in front of a bus

[ipsilonv]

@Mudlord
You clearly have very serious issues with understanding what people say. Regardless of the fact that calling someone a douchebag online is in itself quite a retarded thing to do, you fail to address my most important point. My post might be surrounded in comedy given that I really don't care about this project anymore (since 7 years ago when it stopped progressing), but there are very serious aspects that I talk about. If you can't see them then you really need to get some english lessons for grown ups.

And I don't want to get everything for free. This is something you don't understand, my problem is not that you take donations.. but that those donations are very disrespectful. If you take donations you have an OBLIGATION to do your best... If you don't see an obligation the you have some serious social misunderstandings and need to get out of your cave more.

And you have a serious superiority complex man, get down from your throne and realize that the crap you've made is not that awesome. No, you are not a god.. not by a long shot.

People didn't buy anything. You donated towards the progress that's been made back then, not for what was to come.

You just countered your own argument. If you pay for something that is already created.. you are buying it. A donation is meant to encourage growth... which PJ64 doesn't see.. at least not the free version. And don't get me wrong.. if you want to sell PJ64 go ahead.. but don't lie to people.

@Squall_Leonhart
If you won't argue any of my points then don't even bother posting. Or do so, it just shows how mature you are.. although arguing over maturity online won't get us anywhere. You sound like you are 16 though.. just an estimation. But I would rather you argue with me so that you change my mind, and make me realize how wrong I am.. which so far it seems like I'm not. Given the replies I got it seems like this truly has become a scam. If you take donations and release something that doesn't have 7 years (Don't even wanna count how long this has been going on for) of real work, then you have no respect towards others.. and quite sincerely makes you fit to get run over by a bus (a joke of course).

But it seems that there are no people here that can make any responses that resemble something a human being with more than a double digit IQ would write. Then again, I'm here more to see if you realize how messed up this whole thing is, and not to get something out for myself. I really couldn't care less if you release this or not, but I hate people being insulted in such a manner, and people taking a crap on other people's hard earned money.

Have a great day.

[RadeonUser]

I honestly don't see a reason why you post something like this other than to stir up trouble and/or amuse yourself.

You clearly have your own opinions on Project 64's current status and its true that there hasn't been a post regarding PJ64's status in a while but that does not mean PJ64 is dead.

The reason for the slowed progress is simple, everyone on the PJ64 team now has a life to deal with and does not have as much free time as before.

The donations always have been a way for people to show support for PJ64. The fact that they also get access to the beta is just a thank you from the team. I do see how the donation system could be misinterpreted to appear as a method to force people to pay for the beta but that isn't the intent behind the donation system.

As for "worthiness of the beta" that completely depends on the person. If the team sees a person that is very interested in PJ64, has a lot of free time, and is reporting issues in a very professional and concise manner then that person may be a welcome addition to the beta testers.

PJ64 is a free N64 emulator, always has been and always will. If PJ64 1.6 (or any version) was subscription based I would agree that the lack of updates is deplorable.

PJ64 is still free, alive, and is worked on as life and time allows so what's the problem?

[ipsilonv]

I read your first sentence and it showed that you failed to even read my post.. so I did the same with yours. I already explained why I posted this.. and it's not just to stir trouble.

[ShadowFX]

Originally Posted by ipsilonv

You just countered your own argument. If you pay for something that is already created.. you are buying it. A donation is meant to encourage growth... which PJ64 doesn't see.. at least not the free version. And don't get me wrong.. if you want to sell PJ64 go ahead.. but don't lie to people.

I was clearly using the words buy and donate to present the difference you didn't catch in my post. There is nothing in there that even remotely counters.

[squall_leonhart]

Originally Posted by ipsilonv

@Squall_Leonhart
If you won't argue any of my points then don't even bother posting. Or do so, it just shows how mature you are.. although arguing over maturity online won't get us anywhere. You sound like you are 16 though.. just an estimation. But I would rather you argue with me so that you change my mind, and make me realize how wrong I am.. which so far it seems like I'm not. Given the replies I got it seems like this truly has become a scam. If you take donations and release something that doesn't have 7 years (Don't even wanna count how long this has been going on for) of real work, then you have no respect towards others.. and quite sincerely makes you fit to get run over by a bus (a joke of course).

But it seems that there are no people here that can make any responses that resemble something a human being with more than a double digit IQ would write. Then again, I'm here more to see if you realize how messed up this whole thing is, and not to get something out for myself. I really couldn't care less if you release this or not, but I hate people being insulted in such a manner, and people taking a crap on other people's hard earned money.

Have a great day.

Again, go throw yourself under a bus. us Emudevs have better things to do then read lamer posts like yours. You haven't written anything worth responding to, so i won't.

....now whered that Bree girl go.......
@RadeonUser

Agreed, As it is the current alpha builds have games which previously had issues whether minor, or major to work with decent results.

PS. I donated to the project, not for the beta. >.> I actually had using the cracked r45 leak well before donating and only done so because of the work they had already achieved in r45

[HatCat]

Originally Posted by ipsilonv

You just countered your own argument. If you pay for something that is already created.. you are buying it. A donation is meant to encourage growth... which PJ64 doesn't see.. at least not the free version. And don't get me wrong.. if you want to sell PJ64 go ahead.. but don't lie to people.

Wouldn't it be up to the intention of the one who gives the money? If that one "donated" just to get the beta it can be called "buying"?
Functionally, though, we imagine there is at least one context, while we use the English language.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/buy
So basically my take on it is, is it considered exchanging the money for the beta? The giver decides that.
Is it giving money that will return the beta software? Yes

Unfortunately, after the "donation", it is presumed that you want the beta because the system is set up such that after donating you will automatically be granted access. There is no option to decline this extension.

Originally Posted by ipsilonv

Dude seriously, just dig a grave to this project... it's been half dead for half it's life and you have it barely on life support with the money form the people that bought the beta. We all loved you PJ64, which is also the reason why you should die in peace. RIP

As a side note, I don't know how much progress has been made, but there is a certain attitude you must have about donations. If you are going to take them, then you have a responsibility to do your best. If you have a busy life, that's fine, but don't take donations. I'm not complaining, since I didn't even donate (Which I guess doesn't make me worthy of a beta), but given the 3 updates in a year.. it seems a little disrespectful and not very honorable, but I might be completely wrong regarding the progress that is made behind the scenes.

Anyways, RIP PJ64. I might sound like a douche.. and I don't care. But I want to make it clear that I really appreciate all that the creators have done, even if I don't approve of certain aspects of their methods. And I'm ready for FLAME .

Sympathy dude...I respect you. Your judgment...I don't feel alone.

I just want to make sure you are aware of the following.

• In fact Jabo and zilmar do happen to be busy. Their personal lives as well
• This project is over a decade old. It was temporarily discontinued as of version 1.4 in 2004, but it was ever active until more decline at 2008 to present. Therefore its decline period is less than 2/10 = 20%. Other than that I have no thoughts of opposition against what you have written. "...it's been half dead for half it's life and you have it barely on life support with the money form the people that bought the beta."
• Over a year ago Project64 was leaked and later cracked. At this time the developers have been directed to a lot of hatred and unappreciation. You are misunderstood. Misjudgment from pride is why I have an account here. This of course would imply any decline in the rate of donating to be rather recent.
• Fortunately those who donated just to support further development are part of the reason why this project does not precede a death. It will not die based on the rate of income, but because of new investigations for an emulator of a more recent platform, GameCube, the next version of Project64 is said to be the last release.
• Although the developers do base their time based on which priority gives them more financial support for life, this relates to the judgment as to whether one cares. It can be inferred around here that other people still post help and information, so zilmar still continues with information if he is asked.